On Some Replies to the Abortion Blog
I write a blog about language and the abortion issue and to my great surprise the blog explodes with replies. There were many interesting responses and I would like to deal with a few here, rather in the reply section. But, first, I should thank the many positive things you said about this and other blogs on this site. It inspires me to continue.
Some persons -- notably Christian Pro-Lifers -- charged me with exhibiting bias. This is ironic since if I have an actual bias in regard to the abortion issue -- a point of view I bring to any thinking I do on the subject -- it is to oppose abortion. My wife and I dealt with an unexpected pregnancy by having our child. However, I have thought my way to the other side of the issue as the result of valuing other moral considerations over those I adopted as a result of early indoctrination by my religious teachers. One of these is my belief that I do not have the right to impose my personal morality on another person.
It was never my intent to debate the abortion issue but rather to speak to the role of language in this debate. Today I got a reply that leads me to engage in this debate in a small way to illuminate a more fundamental problem:
What reason is there for considering a human foetus not a human life? It is definitely made up of human cells, it is alive (if not aborted), and - as I illustrated earlier, it is uniquely individual. So what else is there?What else is there? While the foetus may be "alive" in some sense of the term, it is not self-sustaining unless born in one way or another and even then requires constant supervision and nursing to stay alive. So, we have two things to think about here. The first is that the foetus can stay alive only within the womb of a woman for some period of time, which brings me to the second point. In a free society, it is understood that the government cannot interfere with what men do to their own bodies in ways that do not apply equally to women, such as restricting us in regard to what drugs we may consume -- either by prohibiting the use of illegal "recreational drugs" or limiting the use of legal drugs. Yet there are some that believe that the bodies of women who are pregnant are property of the state in that they can be required to carry a foetus to term. I find this differential treatment between men and women intolerable. As a man, I would never take the position that I could require my wife to carry a foetus to full term. I would have the option to divorce her if she didn't do so. Indeed, I exist only because a man -- my father -- did divorce his first wife because she had an abortion (actually three -- he was a bit dim about recognizing the outward signs of pregnancy so it took awhile before he could lay down his ultimatum). There are other reasons to come down in favor of Roe v. Wade of course but this is the main one.
Our Pro-Lifer had more to say, including
Really, to believe that a human foetus is not a living human being, one has to rely entirely on aesthetic judgements, right? If there is another way to come to such a conclusion, please enlighten me. You can leave a comment on one of the posts at my blog at [this site]I gave "another way" to get to the position of defending Roe v. Wade in my preceding paragraph. What I would like to note now is that we have here the signs of someone who doesn't have a clue as to what would and would not constitute an argument against those who support the Roe v. Wade decision. Never, ever have I heard an "aesthetic" argument in favor of a woman's right to do with her body what she wants to do. What in the world would constitute an aesthetic consideration that would favor having an abortion? Could it be that this poster believes that those who wish to have an abortion do so only because they don't want their bellies to expand making them less attractive (an aesthetic consideration) to their husbands? What we have here is an example of what happens when our educational system fails to train people how to think, and that includes not just our K-12 schools but our universities as well.
The ability to think consists of an ability to (a) frame hypotheses, (b) recognize the difference between empirical and nonempirical hypotheses, and (c) recognize the strengths and weaknesses of hypotheses on empirical and logical grounds. A serious problem with the abortion debate is the inability of many or even most participants, especially on the Pro-Life side, to recognize the difference between relevant and irrelevant arguments (quoting the Bible does not constitute giving an argument of any consequence whatever) and to evaluate the distinction between good and bad relevant arguments. This same problem has infected the debate over creationism and intelligent design, but since I so far have nothing of linguistic interest to contribute to these controversies I shall not blog on them now. But as a citizen I find myself dismayed by the continuing effort of the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist movement to force their views on the American people. If you are Pro-Life because you, like I, sang the bible school song starting off "Jesus loves me, this I know, For the Bible tells me so" and you have generalized that confidence in the Bible to other issues than whether or not Jesus loves you such as the abortion issue I worry about you. After 9/11, we should all recognize the danger of religious fundamentalism, including Right Wing Christian Fundamentalism..
posted by The Language Guy at 5:31 PM
42 Comments:
Nice straw man you've built there. For such a well educated man, I wouldn't think you'd be so quick to posit such a fallacy; unless, of course, there is an agenda of which I am not aware...
11:20 AM
Every day a few thousand children under the age of 5 will die because there is no food available to sustain them. Perhaps we should bring all the children that are threatened with starvation to America where there is an abundance of food. Then and only then should the debate about abortion continue.
We have the means to feed every child on the planet, but we do not have the will. Or, more to the point, we are not prepared to reduce our standard of living to accommodate the starving children.
So, let's be fair - if you have not adopted a starving child (or 2) and saved them from starvation, you have no business discussing abortion because you have no foundation.
If you want to introduce religion into the arguement, I ask only that you include voodoo and all the "-isms," or at least include a recorded message from God. From a religious standpoint, all we seek is one recording or one picture of the Almighty - a snapshot will do just fine. No recording, no snapshot? Then take a hike, maybe you'll find a picture in the forrest or hear a rumbling from the sky. That would be one God Almighty rumbling I bet. Like the rumbling of a thousand starving bellies on their way to the promised land.
Given the choice, I bet every one- year-old child that starves to death would have preferred to die about 16 months sooner. Just a guess! And your guess is as good as mine.
11:29 AM
Be careful: any young child (who is already born) in general is not "self-sustaining ... in one way or another and even then requires constant supervision and nursing to stay alive."
12:09 PM
To the writer of this blog. I commend your viewing both sides of this matter. To Wordreader, Your stand point is rather harsh to me. To me nothing is this black and white. Wars are started by people imposing their morality. Any adult with their own brain does not like to be told what they should do. Assimilation is never the right answer. We should all be entitled to our own beliefs. It makes us individuals. In my opinion one can suggest, advise, but never should a person impose their views, on another individual. Why not say to someone, "I see your point,.... this is mine." and leave it at that? That said, there are ofcourse some issues (crimes against humanity) that cannot be ignored. To determine a crime against humanity, personal religion based morality should never factor.
4:22 PM
I am enjoying your interesting and stimulating writing.
The problem with the abortion debate (well, one problem, which you rightly also link to the evolution/intelligent design debate, is that people make up their minds, often so firmly as to be utterly entrenched, in what seems to be almost a complete absence of real critical thought. This of course is because these topics are linked in non-rational ways with beliefs (usually religious beliefs) which the person is utterly determined should not be threatened. So to disagree on the linked issues is perceived as an attack on beliefs that must be defended at all costs. Thought is usually a secondary value - the underlying motivation is actually not rational.
The only way to fight this is with reasoned, careful arguments, and not buying into the black-and-white thinking that tends to persist in these instances. One reason I'm enjoying your blog is that I see this promoted in your posts.
I know that there are thinking peope on both sides of the abortion debate, and I wish to respect the rights of everyone to hold and express their own opinion. But all too often the most important agendas are covert and are not really addressed in open debate.
Thanks for your very stimulating posts.
7:51 PM
This is an attempt to post something related the post, but not its main subject.
on "The ability to think consists of an ability to (a) frame hypotheses, (b) recognize the difference between empirical and nonempirical hypotheses, and (c) recognize the strengths and weaknesses of hypotheses on empirical and logical grounds."
But what a hypothesis is, that... is something I believe we can analyse further. (What's a belief anyway? Same thing, I suppose.) I believe that the sensual imagination, and its function within the information system which is the human mind, has something to do with it.
Especially so, when one gets to trying to explain what a non-empirical hypothesis is.
Logic... now, I believe that has something to do with the faculty of set management, and the faculty of apperception: time.
3:29 AM
I love your blog. That's all. I like the way it gets folk thinking.
12:11 PM
Language Guy,
Not to take anything away from the sudden increase in hits to your blog, but I came to this blog because it was named a "Blog of Note" on Blogger when I logged onto my own blog.
Perhaps others found it that way as well?
But you also provoked a lot of arguments with your post, and I'm sure that's the main reason for so many comments.
May I add this to the discussion. If we had free and widely available birth control, I think the abortion rates would diminish.
But we live under a government that withholds funding overseas--yes OVERSEAS--for programs that encourage the use of birth control devices, so how could I expect such a sensible program to be instituted here.
2:05 PM
Tommy D and Phillip Harris both make very good points here, and that really brings the topic back to language.
I’ve found that most right-wing “issues” use code phrases in place of plain language: in this case, disguising a desire to invade and control people’s lives behind a veneer (often a very thin one) of “life.” It’s easy to see that the goal isn’t about abortion, when they oppose sex education and health-care initiatives that are proven to reduce abortion, and make only token gestures toward enhancing the well-being of children already born. (Or as one wag put it, “to them, life begins at conception and ends at birth.”)
I’ll go looking through your older entries, but if you haven’t written about the use of code words & phrases in politics, I’d like to see your take.
4:32 PM
I wish there were some other way to communicate but language. I'm having a terrible time trying to say what I mean, about everything. Words seem such poor symbols for reality. And as you note in your post, so infinitely concerned with logic, sequencing, historical use, politics,etc. Every word is pre-loaded with rounds and rounds of explosive connotations. How do you express things that are more inclusive than logic? I'd love to know what you think.
5:09 PM
We all have the desire to be understood!
5:22 PM
I like your blog. I think that people often don't take the time to define terms in discussion ie. defining "God"
before discussing whether one believes in God or not. With this in mind, I think you may be misinterpreting what the "pro-lifer" had to say about "aesthetic judgements." I suspect he or she meant something akin to what Brian Greene means when he uses the word "elegant" to describe The Elegant Universe. For example, that there is something logically displeasing or out of order to regard human fetus as not a living human being. I'm not arguing the abortion issue one way or the other here. Rather, I'm discussing the use of language. For the record though, as a matter of logic, I would describe a human fetus as a living human begin. As a matter of public policy, I would not interfere with a woman's decision to abort her own fetus. Thankfully, I've never had to make that decisionn for myself. And finally, thank you for your interesting and thought provoking blog.
Our Pro-Lifer had more to say, including
Really, to believe that a human foetus is not a living human being, one has to rely entirely on aesthetic judgements, right? If there is another way to come to such a conclusion, please enlighten me. You can leave a comment on one of the posts at my blog at [this site]
9:53 PM
LanguageGuy I found your latest article quite insightful. An interesting thought for any pro-lifer out there is "What would Jesus do?"
You see I have thoroughly searched the New Testament and have found no mention of Jesus trying to change the government to be more "Christian". No abortion rallies, no forcing of ideas on unbelievers. Jesus simply says, "Take up your cross and follow me" (Matthew 16:24). Note he does not say, "Use your cross to beat unbelievers into submission".
Also when the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus by suggesting that Christians were not required to pay taxes (Matthew 22:15-22). Jesus said "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's". Notice once again Jesus did not call for a Christian nation to overthrow the evil Roman agressors and impose a Christian-values centric government.
Do I personally believe abortion is right? No. However I fully believe that I have no business imposing my value on my fellow man - people's beliefs should be arrived at of their own accord and not through heavy handed mandates.
Finally pro-lifers need to look at their very agressive behaviour. Certainly not something which could be considered Christ-like.
1:55 PM
Wow... I have a lot of thoughts about all the issues and ideas that are being raised here. Overall, I want to say that I appreciate the attention being paid to linguistic precision. I am often frustrated by the lack of it.
With regard to abortion, it is an issue I personally struggle with quite deeply. Without a doubt, I feel that there is a distinctive lack of fruitful, honest, careful discussion on both sides of the issue, and so I welcome the chance to explore the opinions of others who are either thoughtfully struggling, or who have come to a decision and can present it clearly and without rancor.
I may come back to talk about this again when I have a little more time...
But I also wanted to latch on to something you said about memory and language. I, too, have often wondered what the connection is between memory and language, and whether we begin to retain memories as our knowledge of language solidifies. Do you have any concrete evidence or know of any investigation of this idea? I would be very curious to learn more.
2:01 PM
This is quite an interesting thread. I, too, found the blog in the "blogs of note" list not really expecting to encounter this particular debate.
However, it is one of which I have grown increasingly frustrated. Here are my observations:
Pro-abortion advocates tend to focus their arguments on personal rights and the role of government in regulating personal decisions.
Anti-abortion advocates focus on the morality of the action itself.
Even in your blog you dodge the morality question and go straight to rights, leaving whether or not the act of abortion is right or wrong up to the individual actor.
The first argument has to do with the law - what should be allowed by government. The second whether or not that action is right. The second has bearing on the first since we often, though not always, reflect our moral beliefs in our laws.
The frustration of which I spoke at the beginning has to do with both sides refusing to rationally, critically and thoughtfully consider each others' arguments.
4:07 PM
A very interesting blog indeed, and reading the comments is as interesting as the blog itself. Sometimes it feels to me that even though i, as a person from Western Europe, live in a similar society to America we are still more than just oceans apart. The religious "bible-based" arguments would never even begin to amount to anything here. In America though it seems a lot of people are still pointing toward the bible as if that text itself would constitute an argument. Like i said, interesting blog!
4:25 PM
Food for thought: suggesting that it is morally wrong to impose one's morals on another is, in itself, an imposition.
4:57 PM
Never underestimate the concern christians have about the reproductive activities of others. Be it an irrational fear of homosexuality, or the support of killing those who conduct abortions. Gotta wonder how boring their personal lives must be if they constantly worry about others.
R2000
7:31 PM
I could not have put it better myself! This is the best peice of writing I've read on the topic of abortion in years! Your writing is clear, concise, in English, intelligent, thoughtful, non-bias and wonderful! Thank you for this enjoyable and insightful read! I'm printing it out as I write this comment for you! VERY WELL SAID! Bravo!
-Sarah Liz
11:13 PM
Your blog is insightful, clear and logical. I like it very much.
2:47 AM
Dave says: Be careful: any young child (who is already born) in general is not "self-sustaining ... in one way or another and even then requires constant supervision and nursing to stay alive."
A foetus is not self-sustaining in any way.
Wordreader says: Questions: Why not? Why is it not right to impose your morality on others? What is the foundation of your morality? Where does your morality begin and end?
Some laws reflect the morality of all of us or virtually all of us (all the manslaughter, murder, assault, etc. laws) and it is appropriate in these cases to express our revulsion in the form of laws against these things. It is the effort of a minority to impose their personal morality that is objectionable. This is a fundamental point that the religious right wing does not understand.
Phil says: There are many who argue that we cannot abort the fetus because it is human (at least in the biological sense).
The difficulty with this is that human cancer cells are also biologically human (they have human DNA).
I think most anti-abortionists would argue that the foetus has cells that if permitted to develop would turn into a human being, not just that they are human cells simpliciter.
elzar says" You see I have thoroughly searched the New Testament and have found no mention of Jesus trying to change the government to be more "Christian". No abortion rallies, no forcing of ideas on unbelievers. Jesus simply says, "Take up your cross and follow me" (Matthew 16:24). Note he does not say, "Use your cross to beat unbelievers into submission".
It is truly remarkable how un-Christian so many Christians are. This is, I think, because when people believe they are in possession of The Truth they feel justified in doing anything to further that belief whether it is to murder Israelis, Americans, Spaniards, Indonesians, etc. or impose abortion laws on the American people. Right Wing Fundamentalist Christians are dangerous people.
Becky says:
But I also wanted to latch on to something you said about memory and language. I, too, have often wondered what the connection is between memory and language, and whether we begin to retain memories as our knowledge of language solidifies. Do you have any concrete evidence or know of any investigation of this idea? I would be very curious to learn more.
I believe I indicated at the end of the blog that I lack expertise in that area. If I didn't I should have. I wish for more information as well.
All full of himself, heaton says:
I was very excited to see so many strong feelings towards abortion, I myself have a very strong outlook on the subject. I'm not about to write a novel because its simple really, abortion is MURDER! thats all there is to it, thank you for your time.
Sorry, but "murder" is defined in the law in such a way as to exclude abortion as an instance of murder though Right Wingers are working on that. Go look at the federal and state statutes.
anthony israel-davis says
Pro-abortion advocates tend to focus their arguments on personal rights and the role of government in regulating personal decisions.
Anti-abortion advocates focus on the morality of the action itself.
Even in your blog you dodge the morality question and go straight to rights, leaving whether or not the act of abortion is right or wrong up to the individual actor.
Actually, I did not skirt moral issues. I pointed out that my bias is to oppose abortion and that is based on my personal morality. I also pointed out that I do not believe I have the right to impose my moral beliefs on another. That is to take a moral stance. I also pointed out that it is wrong (put in "immoral") to treat women differently from men.
mpeterssen is right when he says:
A very interesting blog indeed, and reading the comments is as interesting as the blog itself. Sometimes it feels to me that even though i, as a person from Western Europe, live in a similar society to America we are still more than just oceans apart. The religious "bible-based" arguments would never even begin to amount to anything here. In America though it seems a lot of people are still pointing toward the bible as if that text itself would constitute an argument. Like i said, interesting blog!
I agree. It reflects the inability of teachers to teach people how to think. One fo the first things they should teach is that arguments from any kind of authority whether it is a scholarly text or bible are invalid and should be tossed out immediately. This does not mean that such authoritative texts should not be used to stimulate thought.
anonymous says: Food for thought: suggesting that it is morally wrong to impose ones morals on another is, in itself, an imposition.
This is interesting nonsense. If I say no minority of people should be allowed to impose their private morality on all other people, that is an imposition of sorts, but it is one all of us believe in. Right Wing Christians don't want those who oppose the death penalty to abolish it, for instance.
I think I am in love with Sarah. Maybe mrudula as well if mrudula is female.
9:03 AM
You say abortion is not wrong because the baby can't live outside th womb without artifical help.
Well you can't live outside the earth's atmosphere without artifical help. Does that make it ok for me to kill you?
Just because a life needs help to live does not make it not a life.
We all need help. We are our brothers keeper. We are to protect life because it's in the image of God.
If someone gets in a car wreck and needs medical help and can't survive without it (example an IV or transfusion) is it ok for me to kill them by sucking their brians out like in abortion?
When a baby is born it can't care for it's self any more than a baby in the womb. A baby without help will die, even after being born. Are you saying life begins and human rights only begin when a person is self sufficiant?
That is crazy talk.
Think dude!
10:04 AM
The whole abortion argument is a joke, and the punchline is religion.
This is not to say that having a belief in a religion is wrong, everybody has a right to believe what they wish. In fact I believe it is written in the US constitution (please forgive me as I am not American). But religious based arguements/wars/crusades seem to domintate history. And the abortion argument is no different. Also one thing that has always bothered me is that people say that you have the right to believe in what you want - but in reality your choice is made by your parents and they way they raise you. You can only make an informed choice later in life. But if you have lived a certain life for that long you are very unlikely to change.
10:51 AM
Sort of related but not really, more on a religious vs health vs aesthetics argument. But circumcision - either your for it or against it, and there are widely published articles to provoke thoughts for both sides? But as a new born child who cannot express yourself you have no choice. How long before somebody brings legal action against their parents for assault occasioning grevious bodily harm, indecent assault, and assault of a minor? If you were to hold down any person capable of consent and cut them up you would be in jail.
And for the record a foetus is not an entity (until such time that it can be shown that it has the ability of rational thought or self awareness)
10:57 AM
Whoaaaaa let's raise deep questions on the internet! Our comments have total relevancy and will change the world. OH MAN! Politics mixed with academia? There's a flavor I've never tried before!
2:38 PM
I enjoyed your blog a lot. I am also interested in language since I am a Ph.D. Candidate in Spanish Literature, with emphasis on pre-modern literature. I would like to ask if you have an opinion on John McWhorters' book "Doing Our Own Thing. The Degradation of Language and Music and Why We Should Like Care".
10:04 AM
An foetus is a living human being. The fact that it is not self-sustaining has nothing to do with it. No where can I find that in the definition of what a human is. If you are going to go down that road it is a slippery path. What about older people who no longer have the ability to care for themselves? They are not self-sustaining are the human? What about the sick? People on welfare have the ability to be self-sustaining but for whatever unfortunate circumstance they are not, the government provides for their needs. I know that you deny what nature reveals to us, but no human is self-sustaining. We cannot provide ourselves with the things that we need. You have no control over whether or not there is air to breathe. I say God is, but even an honest humanist would have to say some other force is in control of the air I breathe.
Are unborn babies self-sustaining? No. And that should make it even more heinous to think of killing it.
Paul
11:12 AM
Any law you make is about imposing the beliefs of some on others. This isn't about taking rights away from people, our country does that all the time, and usually we are grateful for it. We take rights away from those who do drugs, who drink and drive, who go 50 in a 25. The question is, is this a right women should have? I feel it is not. Any intelligent human will know that having sex may get the woman pregnent. The choice to have a baby or to not to have a baby should be made at the time of sex not later. Condoms are much easier and cheaper than abortions, and not nearly so controversial. If everyone used them when they were not intending to have a baby, this would be a non issue. So support your local condom maker, and go buy a box. And lets not pretend that this is something strictly between a woman and her doctor. People obviously care about the issue, (just look at the responces on this blog) and in our democratic society, the fact that they care is enough, regardless of their reasonings, or religion.
5:23 PM
left and right, each of your examples constitute cases where the vast majority of people support the law and the law discriminates against no specific group. Ergo, they are irrelevant to the abortion debate.
7:22 AM
I don't understand this need to divide into two camps. I'm neither pro-life nor pro-choice. I have no idea how I feel about the issue... although I can't imagine personally using abortion as a form of contraception.
Regardless... I find it objectionable that people feel there should be laws forcing everybody into one camp or another. The FACT is that people are going to do WHATEVER THEY WANT, regardless of the law.
So feel anyway you want about it, argue any argument you think makes your braincells feel good. Just don't try to make ME live with YOUR conclusions... because frankly, it's impossible to make your decision more than a minor inconvenience to me anyhow.
8:22 AM
where can i ask you language questions?
11:39 AM
Hey Whitelightning, let's do talk about right & wrong for a moment.
Is it right or wrong that all the burden of carrying a baby and raising a child be put on the mother?
Is it right or wrong that 20% of US citizens can't afford healthcare, including pre-natal and post-natal care?
Is it right or wrong to force a baby to be carried to term, then absolve yourself of all further responsibility?
The fact is, by providing education and pre-natal care for anyone who needs it, you can erase much of the need (perceived or otherwise) for abortion. Is it right or wrong to oppose initiatives that can reduce abortion?
1:42 PM
In a just society the right of the individual must always come before the wishes of the masses. This is why a woman must be allowed the right to abortion if she so wishes. The foetus is not a self-aware individual; in fact it is really not an individual at all, so the mothers' wishes must always be looked to first. As for those that argue that foetuses should be protected from abortion just like children are from infanticide... the difference is that in order for the state to protect children they don't have to impose their will on the physical body of the mother. You have a right to do whatever you will with your body; you can even kill yourself if you wish, so why should you be prevented from removing what is essentially a dependant growth from your abdomen?
8:16 PM
It's wonderful to see such brilliant thinking and writing still exists. Whatever your position on these various hot-button topics it's refreshing to see someone thinking clearly and calmly about the linguistics involved in the debate. For example foetus vs. child. The same thing by different names; it's a lot easier to kill a foetus than a child. You want to save the wetlands but who wants to save a swamp? Bravo Mr. Geis.
One small aside: you should probably disallow anonymous comments and add the word verification to weed out spam and such.
11:28 AM
I just wrote an extremely in-depth (and hopefully unbiased) discussion of the abortion debate on my blog, from the perspective of argument theory. Check it out if you get the time, and please criticize it.
5:34 PM
I also found this blog by the Blogs Of Note link, and am very glad I did. As someone who is fascinated by language and it's uses and misuses in today's society, it is refreshing to read such precise and well reasoned arguments. Keep it up, Language Guy! I will look forward to your future postings.
6:20 PM
I know I'm a little late in commenting on this post, but thank you! So often people don't realize that any brand of extremism, even their own, is toxic.
3:29 PM
Re previous comment:
I don't suppose we could get the original Chinese or a citation on that proverb? It strikes me as about as suss as "May you live in interesting times," which is an American fabrication.
(Nice piece, Mike.)
5:07 PM
We do not allow religion based arguments on this site. If you can't come up with a better argument you need to think harder about the position you are defending.
7:35 AM
Abortion. Complications and consequences - article
12:37 PM
I appreciate all of this dialogue about "when the unborn fetus" is a "person." However, I can't help but ask, "Where is the concern for the young woman or girl (that we know is a person) and her life, whether she aborts OR gives birth?"
This comes from a 48 year old Descendant of American Slaves (DAS) who has aborted two children, both fathered by the same man.
One, as an eighteen year old college student, when my mother made the decision for us. The other at age 24, because this same "college sweetheart", after a seven year, admittedly, rocky relationship, did not want to get married "just" because I was pregnant.
After I moved across the country and he got locked up for a insider trading a couple of years later, he wrote me letter from jail telling me that "a part of him vanished when I aborted our baby." I was stunned.
The abortion issue must be resolved by sane, thoughtful adults.
We both regret decisions we made 20 plus years ago, especially since neither of us have children and we'd make great parents now!
I was "programmed" NOT to be an unwed mother after seeing the reaction my parents had when my sister got pregnant at sixteen; I guess he was "programmed" not to get married "just because a woman is pregnant." No "shot-gun" weddings for him?
Anyway...Today, I just know, we all thank God for my 32 year old nephew who was born of a 16 year old, unwed mother who was blessed with family that supported her and her child. My abortions have left me childless, single and wondering.
Am I pro or anti abortion? After a lot of thought, I would like to see an age limit for receiving legal abortions. An age restriction. Like women 21 and older cannot receive an abortion without written consent of the father, unless life-threatening circumstances exist. Before getting an abortion, when the father is known, he should be required to sign documents of consent.
After age 21, both the mother and father MUST take FINANCIAL responsibility, at least, for the actions that they KNOW bring children into the world.
Use birth control, but ABORTION will NOT be an option.
AFTER 21, THERE SHOULD BE NO CHOICE!
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